tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post3511937755783428272..comments2024-03-09T11:08:34.910+02:00Comments on other things amanzi: compassion fatigueBongihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12918640034313468627noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-65030380082606726472010-04-18T15:45:50.449+02:002010-04-18T15:45:50.449+02:00Bonji--I wasn't offended at all...one of the t...Bonji--I wasn't offended at all...one of the things I find amazing about your posts is the amount of compassion that still exists in you despite the things you see day in and day out. <br /><br />And yes I suppose I agree that there are different realms and motivations for criminal behavior~psyche being its own animal. <br /><br />I think compassion fatigue (or vicarious traumatization) is one of those ugly realities that people in healthcare like to pretend doesn't exist. I am really glad you chose to write about it.Albinoblackbearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15222730484450544498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-73551356886535206552010-04-17T11:17:35.686+02:002010-04-17T11:17:35.686+02:00albino, please never feel the need to apologise fo...albino, please never feel the need to apologise for rambling or any other form of comment here. your comments are always welcome.<br /><br />i think there is a difference between the psyche criminal and the common of garden variety. if there is genuine psyche pathology then one needs to understand that a bit.<br /><br />my sympathy for criminals that get it is two fold. firstly if he ends up being my patient i do all that i can for him. my treatment is as good as it woulf be if it was a normal law abiding citizen. however i do not shed tears for those living by the sword who die by the sword. if they chose that lifestlye and they cop it, so be it. it is good for the country for them to be eliminated and i feel nothing for them. whatever the circumstances when you take up a gun against your fellow man, what you are actually saying is that you value your own circumstances above the lives of your fellow humans. this is sociopathic behaviour and we all know the only cure for a sociopath is an acute dose of lead to the cranium. if the police administer this dose, that's fine by me. if they miss and wing the guy and he comes to me, i'll do my job to the best of my ability.<br /><br />let me warn you that being soutyh african causes me to be jaded the other way, so please don't be too offended if my sentiments sound a bit harsh.Bongihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12918640034313468627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-83277423888158502662010-04-16T19:10:01.077+02:002010-04-16T19:10:01.077+02:00I always struggle with compassion fatigue, as well...I always struggle with compassion fatigue, as well as where the lines are compassion ought to be drawn. <br /><br />Granted, I realize that I come from a country that isn't inundated with the same degree of violence as SA and the heartache that comes with it. <br /><br />When I used to work acute psyche (before going to the darkside of emergency) we had the forensic assessment unit. Many criminals had to come through our unit until their acute psychosis settled and they could be moved to a proper institution. <br /><br />While in the acute unit we often had time to actually go through people's old charts and see a fairly clear picture of their lives up to that point. So many of them had been abused terribly (tortured would probably be a better word for many) and of course came out the other side of it hardened criminals living in poverty with addiction or two. <br /><br />I know I am a bleeding heart (which probably discounts my opinion on the matter almost entirely) but I think maybe just a hair of compassion ought to be considered for those that cause the harm as well. I am sure that many of them equate violence to survival, and it's all they've ever known. I think if you're choosing to be a criminal you've got no choices in life at all. <br /><br />I am sure if I spent a week with you in your service Bongi I'd be burnt and jaded...I commend the challenges that you and your colleagues face on a daily basis. <br /><br />(My apologies for the rambling comment.)Albinoblackbearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15222730484450544498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-22533053640916191302010-04-14T21:27:24.667+02:002010-04-14T21:27:24.667+02:00@ anne: they are abnormal patients, and never expr...@ anne: they are abnormal patients, and never express remorse. I once had a guy who had raped and killed two little girls. Also with gunshot femur administered by the police. He was in theatre with shackles around his legs. Althoug I explained his options to him I was not overtly friendly, but certainly not rude either. He had the audacity to look me straight in the eye and tell me he didn't like my attitude towards him.VIVA TIVAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05293757293448489047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-28428354908438162752010-04-14T04:45:50.366+02:002010-04-14T04:45:50.366+02:00Thanks for sharing this.
Trying to remain compas...Thanks for sharing this. <br /><br />Trying to remain compassionate while providing criminals and psychopaths with good health care really is stressful and can wear a person down. And it's hard to discuss this issue with a lot of people because many of them either cannot relate to the situation, or they, themselves would rather see the criminals not receive any medical treatment. <br /><br />Keep up the great work. I enjoy reading your stories.Lockup Dochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15206543723031055768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-67097303331037653832010-04-13T23:09:16.193+02:002010-04-13T23:09:16.193+02:00Interesting post. Thanks.The Cockroach CatcherInteresting post. Thanks.<a href="http://cockroachcatcher.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">The Cockroach Catcher </a>Cockroach Catcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14440000294855006966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-47741325913328622802010-04-13T12:56:45.684+02:002010-04-13T12:56:45.684+02:00I guess many SA doctors and those abroad, both ali...I guess many SA doctors and those abroad, both alike, face compassion fatigue at times. But in light of it all, sometimes I think this is a way of getting the vital job done at the end of the day... well that's purely opinion.<br /><br />Hope you find some peaceful quiet time to rejuvenate compassion for the great work you do :)Smybinnhttp://www.smybinn.co.zanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-91062012113272012332010-04-11T15:36:01.799+02:002010-04-11T15:36:01.799+02:00Thanks Françoise, I am aware of these things, but ...Thanks Françoise, I am aware of these things, but often don't have the mental energy left to decide what to do to relax (LOL ?!?!), so I printed your "list" :o)<br /><br />-SCRNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-7453942106144551062010-04-11T12:56:14.375+02:002010-04-11T12:56:14.375+02:00I'm a CF specialist who works with physicians ...I'm a CF specialist who works with physicians and nurses in Canada. Different challenges, very similar challenges in some ways. I've compiled a ton of free resources on CF for people in health care, if you are ever interested in reading some more about it visit my site and blog: www.compassionfatigue.ca<br /><br />Also some other good websites on the topic with free resources:<br /><br />www.headington-institute.org<br />www.compassionfatigueawareness.orgCompassion Fatigue Solutionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08893009698188488202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-57973184862615805242010-04-11T10:07:35.134+02:002010-04-11T10:07:35.134+02:00anne mostly i don't speak to them too much. th...anne mostly i don't speak to them too much. there are three posts i still vaguely remember that talk a bit about the days that follow.<br /><br />http://other-things-amanzi.blogspot.com/2007/06/i-made-difference.html<br /><br /><br />http://other-things-amanzi.blogspot.com/2010/01/faciotomy.html<br /><br /><br />http://other-things-amanzi.blogspot.com/2008/07/family.html<br /><br />basically put you get all sorts but in general once a psychopath, always a psychopath.<br /><br />jayne, thanks. will do.Bongihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12918640034313468627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-9979035808865694062010-04-11T09:30:47.872+02:002010-04-11T09:30:47.872+02:00In our country today, several people will be murde...In our country today, several people will be murdered, raped or assaulted with the intent of murder. Joe Public soesn't understand the stress that the stabbings & I would think especially the child rapes, put on our doctors. During your years of study, you, like 99% of other docs, learned to 'switch off', which in itself can be a good or bad thing. I don't know how you cope sometimes, with the horrific things you have to deal with.<br />I applaud you sir.<br />Now have a dop & voetsak off on holiday! :-DJaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06546956519928584352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-82453513995740252632010-04-11T00:01:00.318+02:002010-04-11T00:01:00.318+02:00Compassion fatigue is not limited to only the medi...Compassion fatigue is not limited to only the medical profession. So I have discovered...Jabulanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12847825459654555235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-63034115276285309312010-04-10T22:38:53.400+02:002010-04-10T22:38:53.400+02:00What I am always curious about when I read stories...What I am always curious about when I read stories like this, is what it's like later on the ward. The surgery lasts a few hours of what will be a long stay at the hospital. You have to talk to them at least once a day during rounds. Are these normal patients? Do that have families who visit them? Do they ever express remorse (or anything else for that matter) about their actions? Are they ever grateful to be alive? Do they feel sorry for themselves? Do they have any empathy with those around them? I know I am asking a lot of questions, but his degree of violence seems incredible to me. We have prisoners sometimes on the ward here, but they seem to be surprisingly ordinary. I can't say I've ever met an armed robber though.<br />You did write a post once about an intubated ICU patient who made a run for it... anyway, any thoughts you have about this--that is, the normality or abnormality of criminals-- are welcome.annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12697085927133582429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37286253.post-16489682521696201022010-04-10T21:27:45.692+02:002010-04-10T21:27:45.692+02:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89AtVD4NGs
That i...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89AtVD4NGs<br /><br />That is all.boznoreply@blogger.com